Stick a fork in it
By LT Ronald
After reading Michiel’s post saying goodbye to President Bush, I felt obliged to add a welcome to President Elect Obama. It should be noted that views expressed here do not reflect those of Skippy.
This country is done.
I will watch now as the treasury grows fat with over taxation, and limited use of the military. I will watch my job deteriorate and will probably watch it get cut.
The masses will be happy, oh so happy, as more money flows into their pockets as I work to give them that money that our new president will surely pluck from my pockets, and my hard working family’s pockets and redistribute to the stupid, lazy, and unlucky. Say good bye to your stimulus checks! They are now going to the welfare recipients and illegal aliens.
At least with the undoubtedly Pro-Murder justices that will be named to the supreme court we hopefully wont have to worry about as many stupid/lazy fucks, because it will become legal in all states for everyone to shove a pair of scissors in the heads of partially born crack babies and vacuum their crack-baby brains out with a saw filled vacuum. Chances are that teenage pregnancies can also go down because parents of these teenagers won’t know that little Suzy went down and committed murder in order to fit properly in her prom dress because she couldn’t just take it up the ass like a good little whore.
I should just shoot myself in the head now, but what good will that do, I won’t be able to own a gun soon anyway, and even if I did die, under Obama I’d lose 50% or higher of my estate, which I’ve already been taxed on once by my benevolent government.
Soon Iran and Korea will have nuclear weapons, of course after our new president has made pinky-swear promises that they will stop trying to make them if we leave Iraq and Afghanistan, and stand idly by while they obliterate Israel. Maybe fuel prices will go down more that way. Now I feel better…. shit; can’t afford a car no more, they downsized the military and now I’m out of a job. Hmmmm, I wonder if Iran could use another ammunition expert. I’m sure that the Taliban does, with us not chasing down Osama any more business should be “BOOMING”. (couldn’t help myself) Stupid fucking outsourcing of jobs.
The American way used to be about working hard and earning a living. If you were extra hard working and maybe a little lucky you would do more than earn a living, but be able to pass on some extra to your family, and if they followed suit you could raise your family to a very affluent state. Unfortunately that way of living is past, and we find that socialism is on its way back in, and why not? Working hard and MAYBE getting lucky and becoming affluent wasn’t really fair to those who didn’t get lucky anyway, and was really unfair to those who didn’t work hard, if at all, in the first place.
Soon those injustices will be righted, and everyone will get lucky because even if they didn’t work hard or get lucky those who did will just give them the fruits of their labors, and we will all be happy.
God bless America. Our collective IQ has dropped to the point where we have voted in a socialist, terrorist, who subscribes to an anti-American religious leader as president. Freedom has finally given us the end of us. Time to just sit back and watch the end of the show.
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November 5th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
wow. i don’t even know what to say. just wow
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November 5th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
It’s like all the bullshit the McCain campaign tried to shove down our throats for the past month condensed into 8 paragraphs.
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November 5th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Too bad he is completely right.
The most inexperienced person possible, the senator who is considered the most liberal in history has been chosen to be the next president. Not because of anything he ever did, but because he speaks well and looks good. Well so does a parrot. Just like floorwax he is all shine and no depth- he has never accomplished anything but a junior seat in the senate and fooling the American public. As long as he says and does what Ried and Pelosi tell him to do he should be fine…but the rest of the US will be screwed. It will be ok though. I lived through Carter, I will live through this, and we will hopefully find a new Reagan in 4 years to follow Barry when everyone sees what an empty suit he is and how he has dragged down the country.
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Mike reply on November 6th, 2008 12:00 pm:
Unlike George Bush who ruined an oil company, a baseball team and the state of Texas. By the way, it is the LT Governor in Texas that runs everything, the Governor mostly gets in the way. George Bush had less experience than Obama and George Bush’s experience was unsuccessful. You elected a person you would be willing to have a beer with. Look around you at the sad state this country is in and you will see what a success George Bush is. The only thing George Bush has done right was to f__k things so bad that Americans revolted.
The George Bush legacy is putting the first person of color in the White House. God Bless George Bush.
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grumpyhammer reply on November 9th, 2008 2:52 pm:
well said mike. i can’t believe that people thought the repubs were doing sooo well. hey they trashed the tech industry with the first crash (remember the tech bubble burst?), had the oil industry gouge the heck out of us (at least haliburton-et al are having record profits), crashed the real estate bubble, and then let the banking industry mismanage themselves into extinction (hey let them have everything they want no rules they’ll be fine right?) one last thought… didn’t we realize the rich are a little too self indulgent with enron, tyco…. AT least all the CEO’s will have their million dollar retirements, and who paid for that lately, oh right redistribution to whom?
its funny everyone keeps complaining about obama and redistribution, where did it all go under bush? gee anyone see our tax dollars at work for AIG? boy we work our asses off for them (the rich) to get all expense paid trips to go hunting.
I am sooo sick of everyone complaining about obama socialism. wake up people… you’re in a socialistic state right now! but it only benefits the rich. Didn’t anyone actually read the tax plans of these two men? under mccains plan, the two TOP brackets got EXTRA money back to the tune of OVER $90K. EVERYONE under that got more back under obama and the top two brackets actually had to PAY some taxes (PARADE MAGAZINE). obama socialism my ass! I guess all you wanna be rich people don’t realize they want ALL of us poor. ask yourself where have all the good paying jobs gone. Try doing some research on the neocon movement! hint it’s not spoon fed to you on TV.
Try watching your socialistic media. One big tennent from old carl marx, don’t inform– entertain. What did you really learn about the candidates on tv. not much but they were entertaining weren’t they? But while we are allowing our kids minds to turn to playdoe on psp, wii etc (which most people afford by having both parents work). they are stealing the country right from under us. did palin really know as little as she seemed to know in her interviews and then expect us to vote for her? but hell at least she got the MILF vote out.
oh by the way, about the abortion, nra, fill in the blank personal interest topic. ever notice how little they change with each change in party control. didn’t we have pro life party in control for years and NOTHING was done with abortion!
lastly, why do we give a rats ass about israel anyway? (I really don’t know and wonder about that one so someone actually tell me the answer)
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November 5th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Hooah! LT. Ronald. Just Hooah.
Our only hope is that in the next 4 years America will finally wake up out of their stupor and craze for a new “change.” People have wanted a change so badly that they have resorted to electing a president who will drive us into the ground. Not unlike what happened to this country after Jimmy Carter was elected in response to the previous administration of Nixon. Now historians are judging Carter as one of our worst president who not only drove our economy into the ground, but someone who wasn’t even able to deal with a few ragtag terrorists in Iran.
Flash forward almost 40 years and we are now dealing with a very well organized and ever-widening group who pose a serious threat to our national security. I hope Chicago and the rest of our major cities are prepared for their daily history lessons blasted over loudspeakers every morning courtesy of Comrade Michelle.
Meanwhile overseas our troops are suffering and dying while the “Peoples’ National Defense Force” will be overfunded and get very little done. Oh yes! We can no longer rely on those who have done so well at protecting our nation since 1775. But hey! I wan’t my 40 acres and a mule for nothing. Why shouldn’t everyone? I mean hell! My ancestors were a bunch of German and Irish Catholic immigrants who never had affirmative action, or the Civil Rights acts of 1964 and 1965. They were the minority of a very despised religous group by all of the “natives”. A group so despised infact, that many of the “natives” formed political movements in the 1840s comprised of the Know-Nothings who were hell bent to prove that the Papists were out to destroy America. So, yes, they may be able to sympathize with many of our country’s minority groups today, but they would also say “stop your bitching” grow up, get a job (even if that means joining the Army and going to a warzone as I have) and make yourself worthy of being an American citizen. My family and I are doing very well today despite the lack of support from Jessie and Al. Grow up and be like the men and women who made this country so Goddamn great and pull yourselves up by your bootstraps from your lazy-boys and work!
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November 5th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Wow.
Reality called – it has a check for you.
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November 5th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
When did Skippy’s List get political? Where are the carefree, prank pulling, smart asses I know and love? What happened to the spirit of going the extra mile to screw off, get drunk and terrorize our bosses? *Sniffle* I miss the old days.
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Lt Ronald reply on November 6th, 2008 5:25 am:
Election is over now, just a few more days methinks. I know that I’m done venting.
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Stonewolf reply on November 6th, 2008 7:36 am:
The LT is right. Every forum and blog will probably be smashed with politics for a week before we return to our normal routines. Remember Politics is the second of the “Big Three” (Religion, Politics and Sports) and tends to get everyone fired up. Which is quite weird in Vermont where its hard to find a real Democrat or Republican. We’re all sort of in the middle (yes, I know Vermont is leaning democrat right now, don’t harp on me. We have alot of flatlanders living here) picking and choosing what we like from all political ideals. But ultimatly I think the US will survive, for what is the prime mandate of the humaity? Adapt and servive, and the US is quite good at that.
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Michiel reply on November 6th, 2008 8:21 am:
It’s just election fever, and the fact that I am a left wing douche bag, and Lt. Ronald is a right wing ass hat.
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Stickfodder reply on November 6th, 2008 11:19 am:
Well I thought that this was a left wing douche bag site why are there so many right wing ass hats?
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Speed reply on November 6th, 2008 1:15 pm:
Deep down, us older right wing ass hats are former long haired, tie dye wearin hippies [I almost said dope smokin, but I was an alky instead]. I still don’t like authority, don’t want to do like I’m told, and I’m leary of anyone claiming he wants to help me. I guess it can be said that I don’t play well with others.
And it’s still fun stickin it to the man.
But I’m cool with Obama, its Reid and Pelosi that’ve got my knees shaking. The prez only signs the bills they give him, unless he vetos.
November 6th, 2008 at 12:47 am
It might be true…
However, so long as Palin’s not VP, I don’t care. A pro-life, anti-sex ed [whaddya think happened to her daughter, hm? bit more learning needed there I think], religious, moose-shootin’, overbearing whore is the last thing America needs.
Ah well. Chances are good he’ll be assassinated regardless.
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Minty reply on November 6th, 2008 11:24 am:
I will say that’s one thing that always cracked me up about Palin–her teenage daughter getting pregnant out of wedlock could not be more of a ringing endorsement that Abstinence-Only doesn’t work.
In a sad way, though. Poor kid. Well, unless she’s happy, then good for her.
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November 6th, 2008 at 2:26 am
Yeah, right.
And if the conservatives return to power, I can rejoice as they wiretap my phone, read my email, track my surfing habits, and sell off all my constitutional rights to the highest bidding corporation while poisoning my future childrens’ world, secure in the knowledge that Jeebus will come along and fix everything just as soon as they clear-cut the last forest. And just to make their fundiwacktivist pals in the Dominionist camp extra happy while they plot to replace the constitution with a theocracy, they’ll ship me off to a secret torture camp for not believing in their beloved magical sky zombie.
Bullshit. Neither party will doom America. The Republicans wouldn’t turn us into the Holy Corporate States of America if they had won and the Democrats won’t turn us into the People’s Socialist States of America now that they have won.
The reason is simple.
No matter which way things tilt, if they tilt too far, *there will always be enough people on the other side to follow the example of our founding fathers.* And both parties, regardless of what you think of the intelligence of their leadership, are fully aware of this.
“… That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends [Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness], it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it …”
“… But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them [the People] under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. …”
Sure, they *could* use massive armed retaliation to kill off all the rebels, but even with today’s high-tech weaponry, the damage to our nation’s infrastructure and workforce would be too massive. It was one thing back in the Civil War – America wasn’t the world’s only superpower yet. Now, though, neither party dares risk losing that international edge. They’d rather limit their challengers to their familiar domestic rivals. It’s easier to just keep compromising with the other party, secure in the knowledge that they’ll do the same for the same reasons if they come into power.
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P.S.: Just in case the tags didn’t make it clear, I don’t *really* think Christians believe in a “magical sky zombie”. From what I’ve seen, it looks more like you believe in a Ghandi-esque figure with supernatural powers and significance, and I think that’s perfectly cool, even if I don’t think the supernatural parts really happened. Dominionists and Westboro Baptists still scare me, though.
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Lt Ronald reply on November 6th, 2008 5:18 am:
This was exactly what I was hoping for in posting this. More humor, of a differing view point. Of course my comments are all extreme exaggeration, but isn’t exaggerating fun?
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Stonewolf reply on November 6th, 2008 7:43 am:
I think Mew hit it right on the head. As messed up as the US can be, we still try to better ourselves. Besides, at the end of they day would you rather be living somewhere else? (Please note this is not a rethorical question. If you answer yes you should probably move there.)
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Minty reply on November 6th, 2008 11:26 am:
I dunno. Scotland’s awful pretty. . .
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Speed reply on November 6th, 2008 1:18 pm:
Haggis. And that’s the sound you make when it comes back up.
Minty reply on November 6th, 2008 2:44 pm:
Hey, Scotland has other types of food! How can you hate the country that gave us shortbread?
Stickfodder reply on November 6th, 2008 2:57 pm:
AND golf and kilts! Comfy.
Stonewolf reply on November 6th, 2008 5:40 pm:
What is wrong with you people?! You’ve completely forgotten bagpipes!
Stickfodder reply on November 6th, 2008 6:37 pm:
You know I’m looking at this little conversation now and cant help but think zombie haggis bagpipes. very sloppy.
4srs reply on November 6th, 2008 1:05 pm:
Praise magic sky zombie!
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Signalist reply on August 24th, 2011 2:41 am:
reading this post and these comments today in early autum/late summer 2011 I can’t help but feel sad, IMHO Capitol Hill should be nuked with the Congress members inside, both parties outlawed and all their members locked up until they learn to co-operate, the everlasting “If I don’t get my bill passed I won’t let anyone else have their bills passed” and “I will support this bill, but I’ll add this one paragraph that forces them to pass MY bill, if they won’t pass this bill because of my addition I’ll blame The Other party when people start complaining” just doesn’t work.
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Signalist reply on August 24th, 2011 3:43 am:
actually, the best solution would be to introduce more parties to the Congress, make it a law that in the Congress the two largest parties combined cannot have more than 50% of all the seats, multiple parties bagstabbing each other is way better than having just two that can’t co-operate.
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Signalist reply on August 24th, 2011 3:45 am:
*backstabbing each other
November 6th, 2008 at 2:27 am
Dangit, the tags dissappeared. They were surrounding that second paragraph. Sorry about that. -_-;
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November 6th, 2008 at 2:29 am
And again! Okay, third try: < sarcasm > [second paragraph] </ sarcasm >.
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November 6th, 2008 at 5:38 am
~WHEW~ For a second there i thought i was gonna have to go backwoods on Lt Ronald!!!! The mere thought of having a president who would even begin to imagine following Herr Bush’s policies makes me want to curl up in a dark closet reading the prophetic words of George Orwell in 1984!!!! Think about it….The Republican Party has always been about personal freedom states rights and small Government. However recently it has turned into a TOTALITARIAN government…You fear socialism…its a walk in the park compared to totalitarianism (say the five times fast!!) I’m an ex soldier and i currently work 2 security jobs making less than 1000 bucks every 2 weeks total!!! I’m barely holding on to my family’s expenses which include both of my disable parents whom i moved to Florida to live with me. A huge tax cut would be a boon to me until i am able to go to college and then get a decent career. Coming from where I do, and where i am now…If I were making 200,000 plus a year I would be happy that im able to be in a tax bracket that pays more…because i know that if you are in a lower bracket….it means you need the money more!!!!
Lt Ronald….I respect you as a Soldier and as a Leader, however you have to remember not everyone gets the “breaks” early in life…if you are an Lt then it means you had some way of going to college before your service…I didnt! My choices are limited and so are others….we are the ones who want the extra help surviving..
Good day and Blessed Be
Captcha: Poor Memorial—–What any soldier who died under a false pretense recieved!
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Signalist reply on August 24th, 2011 3:10 am:
One thing I will never understand about USA; one has to pay fortunes for college, here in Bad Commie Europe I am starting my studies in a University for Applied Sciences, the cost? I pay only for the books and food, plus the apartment that I find on my own, and Government pays 80% of my rent till 202 euros per month, in addition I’ll get monthly support from the government so that I can study, I am almost forced to find a part-time job to pay for my living, but at least I, nor my parents, have not paid fortunes just to get me in.
Two jobs and less than 2000 dollars per month in total, from two guards jobs none the less? What are the unions for if they let employers pay that low salaries?
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November 6th, 2008 at 6:11 am
… I think this made me a little ill to read.
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Megan D reply on November 6th, 2008 7:15 pm:
Me too… I’m so annoyed at people writing posts like these bemoaning the money that is going to be taken away from them. Hello!! I’m pretty sure Lt Ronald and these folks like Joe The Plumber do NOT MAKE $250,000/yr before taxes.
And if they actually do? then quit yer bitching. I wish I’d saved the link that showed in chart form the tax cuts & raises by income level under McCain & Obama. Increases didn’t start til 250,000 and by the time you get there, they start out at amounts that represent a huge chunk of change to someone who makes $30k but is probably what the people who are making $250k+ spend on dining out for that year alone.
I remember a boss once bragging about how he spends $50k a year on entertainment and frivulous things. That guy can spare an extra $5k for higher taxes and take some of the weight off the people who teach his children in the schools and protect his family and property from harm and etc who don’t even make 1/4 of what he does.
If you’re going to rag on Obama being President, don’t use “taxes” as an argument cause I automatically stop listening.
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Stickfodder reply on November 6th, 2008 8:51 pm:
I don’t get why people hate taxes so much sure it sucks to have your money taken away but without taxes where does the government get it’s money from? I’ll tell you, China. And if we keep borrowing money from them eventually they wont have to loan us any more or even have to collect what we owe them because they will literally own our asses.
So do the patriotic thing and pay your taxes and help fund our country or else we will be run by communists!
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cube47a reply on November 6th, 2008 8:58 pm:
If anyone on this site makes more than 250K a year I’m putting out an offer of marriage to them right now. I could use a sugar daddy. Or mamma, I’m easy like that.
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November 6th, 2008 at 6:24 am
Speaking as an outsider, would you guys rather have someone who doesn’t have experience with Whitehouse politics and the corruption therein, or someone who came second to Dubya the last time the republicans needed a candidate? There’s probably more to it than that but that’s the way the rest of the worlds sees it.
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Minty reply on November 6th, 2008 11:39 am:
The hypocrisy of liking Obama for his inexperience and yet reviling Palin for the same is something that has troubled a lot of people (myself included) for several months now. And then I realized what it was that appealed to me: ideas.
Sure, Obama has little experience compared to McCain, but he has a lot of ideas, and whether you agree with them or not, you have to admit that they’re thought out well enough that they may just work. If he’d been schooled more fully in how American politics work, he may have discarded those ideas in favor of ones that spell disaster.
Palin, on the other hand, really doesn’t have any great ideas of how to fix things. Granted, she was slated as VP, but I just couldn’t bring myself to believe she would ever have the creativity and insight to be good at her desired future job as President.
And then there’s also the issue of flexibility. It’s certainly important for whoever heads our government to metaphorically stick to their guns, but at the same time they have to be able to adapt to fluctuating circumstances, which I believe Obama is capable of. Even W is/was more flexible than Palin, and I always viewed him as pretty darned rigid.
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November 6th, 2008 at 7:00 am
Of course Pelosi/Bidden/Obama will now get to over load the Supreme court with liberal activist Judges who are appointed for life. We have doomed an entire generation. Historians will look back and ask … WTF were they thinking!!??
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Mike reply on November 6th, 2008 12:29 pm:
Wow, there has to be an opening on the court before a liberal can be appointed. What is wrong with balance? Reagan and Bushes appointed Conservatives to the court. You can’t live in your conservative cave forever, the world changes. Come out into the sunshine.
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Jim C reply on November 6th, 2008 3:13 pm:
Conservative judges believe they should interpret the law. liberal judges think they can make it. Reagen and Bush were not able to appoint conservative judges as the Democrats held enough seats in the Senate to prevent the hearings. Reid has shown that he will use any tactic and any method to drive out enough Republican Senators to give the the Democrats total control. They will not stop until the Supreme court votes the same as the infamous 9th circuit court in California.
Rev Wright’s wish has came through, God has damned America.
The Democrats are already discussing how to impose a 5% yearly tax on our 401K retirement funds.
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Mike reply on November 6th, 2008 4:50 pm:
Wow, you will believe anything the conservative fear mongers say. Stop watching Fox News, you will feel better. Sorry you feel the way you do. Maybe you’ll survive the liberal years and be able to be happier when the conservatives regain control. You seem to enjoy living in fear rather than hope.
Reagan and Bush appointed to the Supreme court. Bush appointed the chief justice (Roberts) So that is one statement you made that is incorrect. The Democrats do have a majority in the congress but Ried had nothing to do with it, the voters did. That’s two fear mongering misstatements. The tax on 401K, where did you get that.? What facts do you have that is happening? Stop fearing change and embrace it. You’ll be happier. Maybe you’ll be happier in another country. I hear Saudi Arabia is conservative, you might like it there.
November 6th, 2008 at 7:22 am
there’s a solution for both sides: vote libetarian in 2012!
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November 6th, 2008 at 8:24 am
The generation’s been doomed for a while now, to be honest. The party in charge when the ship sinks may have rearranged the deck chairs differently, but it won’t really matter to the cannibalistic, feral survivors of what once called itself humanity a hundred years from now.
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Sean reply on November 6th, 2008 9:54 pm:
You’ve been playing too much Fallout.
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November 6th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Screw experience. I don’t know why everyone makes such a big deal about it. All politicians use their experience for is to learn how to cheat, steal, and lie without getting caught.
You say Obama doesn’t have the right experience? I say, “Good!”.
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November 6th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Eh, I’m all for something new, My wife and I make a decent living (but still under 150k a year combined) and I’ve systematicly watched my dollars not buy as much as they did as short as 5 years prior. I understand inflation, and how things go up and down pricewise, but IMHO anything is better than where we’ve been since Mr. Bush took over. I am uncertain how effective Mr. Obama is going to be, but given his outlook, and (hopefully) fresh Ideas I stand behind him in taking the first steps towards something better than what we have now.
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November 6th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Seriously, you americans really need to do two things: reduce the polarisation of your political system and separate church and state!!!
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Sequoia reply on November 8th, 2008 10:31 am:
Dude, church and state are seperate, as speaks the Constitution (did I spell that right?).
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Daver reply on November 8th, 2008 11:14 am:
Then why are religious issues ALWAYS at the forefront of your political system?
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Stickfodder reply on November 8th, 2008 1:27 pm:
Because most people in the united states are too stupid and lazy to actually read the Constitution. And when it comes to religion all they have to do is sit there and have some asshole read to them, so since it’s all so many idiots know that’s what they worry about.
Daver reply on November 9th, 2008 3:06 am:
Fair point, but it still means that religion and politics are intertwined in the American political system, something that needs to change ASAP.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Like I said in the previous blog, this is why I almost didn’t vote: Politics divides people against eachother and causes stupid arguments. Instead of fighting amongst eachother we should be working to tackle the actual issue with a solution that works for everyone.
CAPTCHA: Fr’man Kenelm -What the hell??
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Stickfodder reply on November 6th, 2008 11:59 am:
Hmm regarding your captcha I think it was trying to say Freeman Kliener, as in Gordan Freeman and Dr. Kliener I think maybe this is a hint as to things to come.
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November 6th, 2008 at 11:18 am
It’s funny how so many people seem to flipping out about socialism not realizing that socialism is NOT communism. And it’s not necessarily a bad thing.
Northern European countries, for instance, tend to have very socialist governments. They also have excellent public services, socialized health care for all (how many people in the US can’t afford medical treatment and are turned down for health insurance?), and some of the highest standards of living in the world. Socialism isn’t BAD, it’s just different.
America is indeed a land of opportunity, but the very basis of capitalism in it’s true form is selfishness. Think about it: I want to work harder to make more money for ME. If you’re not as talented or lucky as me, up yours. I will be rich, and YOU will be poor. You can’t even say hard work will carry the day. There are loads of really hard working people who get nowhere because they’ve had a tough break. I worked in a nursing home and alot of the personal support workers should have been admin and vice versa. Those PSWs were smart, hardworking, and awesome people. But they could only afford a couple of months in community college as opposed to four years in a nursing program at a university. And the admin I had to deal with some times? Idiots. Lazy useless idiots. But they had a shiny degree and a comfy chair in a corner office.
Now, I know no one is saying that the system is perfect…at least I hope they’re not. But one must always remember that the American dream is just that…a dream. The reality for most people is much more grim. If Obama is going to up public services, what the hell is wrong with helping people? Harsher sentences haven’t worked yet, and the only way you’re ever going to down a crime rate is by attacking the underlying cause: poverty. The less poverty in a country, the less crime. You’ll always have upscale jewellery thefts, but no one is going to want to B+E your home and pistol whip you if they have a solid job. Nor would someone who already drives a decent car want to carjack you. Anyway, that’s another essay for another time.
/rant
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Stickfodder reply on November 6th, 2008 12:13 pm:
“Socialism isn’t BAD, it’s just different.”
That’s the point people the biggest reason that ignorant people hate or fear something isn’t because it’s bad (although that does happen) it’s typically because it’s different, it’s a change and ignorant people hate and fear change.
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November 6th, 2008 at 11:20 am
It takes 5-10 years for any policy to show its full effect. Just keep that in mind.
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November 6th, 2008 at 11:22 am
You know, you should totally be entitled to pass on money that your kids didn’t earn to them. Who cares if someone else’s kids die because of it? They deserve it, right, because their parents didn’t work hard enough – because if they’d just worked hard enough, they could have been as smart and as well-educated as anyone else. Obviously they just don’t care about their kids and themselves, right? Because if it’s simply a matter of not trying hard enough…
Anyway, you’re entitled to more money than you need to survive at the expense of people starving all over this country, let alone the rest of the world. You’re entitled to a job security enabled not by fighting meaningful enemies but by bombing civilians in a misguided and hopeless attempt to track down a terrorist organization.
Innocent people should suffer and die so you can have cash in your pocket.
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Stickfodder reply on November 6th, 2008 12:18 pm:
Yeah kill the innocent! What have they done to deserve the right to live?
CAPTCHA “are impaired” HA they will be!
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November 6th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Look at it this way…and Lord, I apologize in advance…but Obama is an assassination waiting to happen. I doubt he’ll be here for the end of his term.
captcha: Breeding Handicap…what stupid people REALLY need.
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Skye reply on November 6th, 2008 1:03 pm:
And just because I hate to be a Suzy McDowner…there IS one good thing about this. Our country has gotten over racial barriers. Martin Luther King Jr. would be proud of that, at least.
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paula reply on November 9th, 2008 5:38 pm:
Skye-
Just ’cause I’m getting frustrated with all the self-congratulatory ‘finally over racial barriers’ thing:
I am a middle-aged white female in my (oh c’mon, admit it:) early fifties, and I voted for Barack Obama. My choice had NOTHING to do with his or any other candidate’s race, sex, religion, gender preferences, marriage or domestic arangements, age and cuteness of offspring, or any other extraneous factoids. I voted for Obama based on his platform, and I really don’t give a damn HOW much melanin his skin contains. I voted for the PERSON (not race/sex/whatever) whom I perceived to be the best candidate.
Sorry: just had to vent a little there!
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Leon reply on November 6th, 2008 2:54 pm:
Geez LT, just a bit harsh and over-rhetorical are we? Relax, Obama’s not the next messiah and he’s not Stalin in disguise either. He’ll disappoint people because we have unreal expectations of him but I think he’ll do ok. As for his survival, he should have picked a gay, muslim woman as his running mate. The KKK and neo-nazis would be jumping on grenades to keep him alive.
CAPTCHA “late Grover” hmmm… need to look up the life of Grover Cleveland now.
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November 6th, 2008 at 11:38 am
All I have to say is that this all reminds me of stuff I read in history class, mainly the stuff about Kennedy and Nixon. If history does indeed repeat itself, Obama will get assasinated and Mcain will be president, then get into a big conspiracy w/ his VP getting into office and granting him a pardon. But who knows, maybe history will manage to change.
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Minty reply on November 6th, 2008 11:43 am:
Let’s just hope that when McCain gets to be president, Palin isn’t his VP.
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Sean reply on November 6th, 2008 9:58 pm:
McCain won’t be eligible for the post when the next election comes around. That’s why people were making a big deal about this election in terms of him running for the last possible time.
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Billy reply on November 6th, 2008 10:32 pm:
I don’t care, I still want nukes, those would make me happy. Though I guess this means history will change, or maybe not, or maybe nukes were the answer all along, or, or, or,… DESTROY ALL! I swear, if I became president, you will want to go shopping for a bomb shelter, I won’t hesitate to nuke us all, the only question is where o’ where do I start…
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Stickfodder reply on November 6th, 2008 10:44 pm:
Where to start? CANADA! They don’t deserve it so It would be funnier.
Billy reply on November 6th, 2008 10:56 pm:
I thought of that, but then it would look like I was attacking the symptom, not the problem, so I think France would be better, besides, I wouldn’t have to worry about retaliation. And anybody french, I will let you know i’m part french-canadian, which is why I reserve the right to beat myself.
paula reply on November 7th, 2008 3:08 pm:
Aw c’mon, EVERYBODY attacks France! Be different: how does Switzerland grab ya?
cube47a reply on November 7th, 2008 3:28 pm:
What about Mexico? California needs more parking space.
Stickfodder reply on November 7th, 2008 5:45 pm:
Hay lets try Russia! Napoleon tried it, Hitler tried it and they both failed. Lets see if we can do it!
paula reply on November 7th, 2008 6:29 pm:
Brazil? They’ve got those great beaches!
November 6th, 2008 at 11:42 am
LT Ron, you have stimulated discussion here. I surely hope the picture you paint is false. Many of your concerns seem to based on Republican fear based propaganda and has no bases in reality. Yes, some things you fear will happen but most won’t. Reality isn’t a concept embraced by conservatives. They do embrace fear as a companion.
In todays world, I doubt that our military will be reduced. But if it is, it won’t be the first time. I suffered the Reduction In Force (RIF) under a Republican administration (Reagan”s) After 14 years of service, I was passed over for Major and booted and I was in a critical field (medical). I have no tears for you LT.
My advice to you LT Ron; is to stop living in fear and start getting excited about a new a different future.
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Minty reply on November 6th, 2008 11:47 am:
“Reality isn’t a concept embraced by conservatives.”
And liberals do? You’ve been hanging out at the wrong coffee shops. Monday night I went to my local and walked right into the middle of a reading of Margaret Atwood’s The Handmaid’s Tale, which was being used as a cautionary against voting Republican the next day (hint: the plot revolves around the US becoming a fundamentalist religious state).
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Mike reply on November 6th, 2008 12:49 pm:
The right wing religious conservative fear mongering has caused this nation to duck and cover. The rapture has not happened. Raise your head out of your hole and take a reality check. It is a new day, hopefully good change is on the horizon. It’s time to dig out, not deeper
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November 6th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I used to think that since I live in New York I lived in a heavy Democrat area but I’m surrounded by farmers and I have come to learn that farmers are typically Republicans partially because the farms in my area are considered big business, and they are very prone to fear tactics. But I have never really looked down on them because of this until recently. Now I also always thought that my area had very little racists but now that Obama has become President elect I have increasingly heard people saying things like “I can’t believe the N**** got elected” now the first time I heard this I was just floored but the more I hear it the more I come to realize that racism is not even close to being gone even my area.
Now sure I live in Western New York basically in the back woods and I guess that I shouldn’t be surprised that there are some racists here but I have been hearing comments like the one I mentioned above in Rochester New York.
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November 6th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
The best part about our elections are that neither side takes to the streets to kill, slash and burn the opponents during and after the election, like the majority of the other countries. Not one of the candidates was poisoned or had to flee the country for fear of losing their life.
I haven’t liked either of the Bushes or Clinton, but the USA still beats the hell out of most other countries, even the European democracies and certainly everything in South America.
And I’ll take magic sky zombies over those fast-walking zombies from the movies any day. Watch a zombie movie? I’d rather run down Rte Ireland in a soft humvee and that ain’t no lie.
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November 6th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
True despite all the complaints I have of this country I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else in the world. I may be a little ashamed to be from here but I still love this country.
Besides I’m sure that if I lived anywhere else I would probably have even more things to complain about.
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November 6th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
dare I admit that I LIKE bagpipes?!?
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paula reply on November 6th, 2008 6:28 pm:
dangit, that’s supposed to be replying to Stonewolf up at number 8!
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Stickfodder reply on November 6th, 2008 6:39 pm:
I’ve done that in the past too and I have to admit that this kind of mistake makes the comment 10 times funnier no matter what it is.
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Minty reply on November 7th, 2008 12:01 pm:
Bagpipes! Bagpipes rock.
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November 6th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
You know, for all the anger and bias in these replies, it’s something that reminds me that the US is still a great country. I’m not American, although I have lived out there in the past, and I think it’s pretty awesome that the general populace still gets fired up enough to argue about politics.
Over here, the next election is pretty much a foregone conclusion – the current incumbent looks like Jabba the Hutt, and the new leader of the opposition doesn’t. Hurrah, the new guy wins. At least there’s some fight left in you lot.
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Stickfodder reply on November 6th, 2008 7:44 pm:
Yeah we still have some fight left but unfortunately its not the flaming torches and pitchforks kind of fight *sigh* that would be so much more fun.
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paula reply on November 6th, 2008 8:15 pm:
you’re just turned on by the bagpipe-playing haggis-eating zombies!
captcha: drivers shipped…. the drivers shipped more haggis to the zombies?!?
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November 6th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
I agree with JessEm, way to rouse the rabble LT. Good job dude.
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November 6th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
I think a decision was just made for me.
From now on, if Skippy didn’t write it, I’m not going to read it. I come to this site to laugh, not to be deluged with negativity – this goes for both this piece and the previous one by Michiel. I don’t care about your political views. If you don’t have funny stories, I don’t want to hear from you.
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Stickfodder reply on November 6th, 2008 10:43 pm:
that’s true this story and the discussion has been dragging me down all day.
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Lt Ronald reply on November 7th, 2008 5:41 am:
Most of Michiel’s stories are funny, as, I hope, are mine.
I go off on a political tangent once, on the day after the election, and your going to stop reading? Every blog in the nation has had this stuff plastered, and I did write this in a humorous, over the top manner.
I don’t know why I care. I shouldn’t…..
*stops caring*
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November 7th, 2008 at 11:10 am
I respectfully disagree.
First of all, I honestly believe that President-Elect Obama truly does want what’s best for America and for the world. I hope he’ll be able to remain as calm and collected as he has through the campaign, as this would serve him well in negotiations and planning. While I believe this, I cannot prove it, and I’m sure your belief that he has other agendas before the good of America is just as sincere. Only time will tell who was correct.
Do I think he’ll negotiate with dictators? Yes. But I think it’s better to talk first, and only resort to coercion if that fails. After all, America can afford to offer a carrot, but the price of using its stick, in lives and money on both sides, is very high indeed.
Do I think he’ll provide services to the poor, funded by taxes paid by the rich? Yes. But that already occurs to a degree, and I believe that it is a necessary evil. Your perspective seems to be that there will be little motivation to work hard, because a nontrivial percentage of your additional income will be paid in taxes. Maybe the incentive will be reduced, but it will still be there. Some will probably take advantage of the programs and avoid work, but others may be able to go to school because they don’t need to work two jobs just to eat. So the rich aren’t as rich, but people with ability and determination can climb up from poverty and become at least middle class. Fewer people are rich, but many more can live comfortably–I believe that that is an acceptable trade-off. Full disclosure: I am from a middle-class family, training for a middle-class job. I don’t expect to be either rich or poor, but I want another shot at middle class if I’m unlucky.
I live in Canada and consider myself Canadian (though I do have American citizenship as well as Canadian), so you may think that I have no right to advocate taxing rich American. You’re right. But these are my principles when voting in Canada, for my own leaders, and I advocate adopting them because I believe that them because I believe that the people of the United States will benefit from them–the same reason that you advocate for your position.
Emotions run high on such issues, of course, and I don’t expect this to change your position on any of the above points. I don’t mind that. I just want to put in my two cents, and show the Other Side in a less confrontational manner.
And if you’ve read this much of my rambling, congratulations! ;-)
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November 7th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Welcome to the United Police States of Obama.
When his jackbooted cronies start pulling American citizens from their homes in the middle of the night, I’m going off the grid.
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Stickfodder reply on November 7th, 2008 6:00 pm:
Hmm you should be more careful in the way you phrase things because Obama is also a city in Japan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama,_Fukui
that’s just in case you don’t believe me so If you’re saying United Police States of Obama You may not need to worry about it because it could be in Japan. :)
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the intel guy reply on November 7th, 2008 6:37 pm:
We all know that I am not referring to a city in Japan.
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Stickfodder reply on November 7th, 2008 7:43 pm:
You’re no fun >:p
November 7th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
I think I’m in love with both you and Michiel…
*Waits for sky to fall*
America’s system of checks and balances will keep things floating (not sinking or flying), but it’s going to be an interesting four years. I’m kind of excited, even though I didn’t vote for Obama.
Catch you on the flip side!
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November 7th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
I’m sorry you feel that way, Lt. Ronald. Perhaps Canada will be more to your liking.
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November 9th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
This is awesome. I’ve really missed Ed Anger’s satirical columns in the Weekly World News.
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November 11th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Guys.. This is WHY I am an Independent! And not because I am smarter than you (Just because I may think so from time to time doesn’t make it true) But I voted for Obama. Seriously.. McCain had too much baggage and couldn’t get away from Bush fast enough. Another thing.. Tell the Libertartians they need a better canadiate than BOB BARR if they want anything near a snowball’s chance in hell of winning the presidency. I was gonna go full blown Libertarian before he got the canidancy. Right now the sky’s not falling, we’re not gonna be socilists and it’s just best to wait and see… Now.. back to the laughs!
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November 14th, 2008 at 9:58 am
That was unexpected and rather needless. I agree with most of what was said, but I could do without going to a humor website and having politics thrown in my face.
Bad form.
captcha: time Hayden. save the cheerleader?
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November 14th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
This post is so patently ridiculous that I can’t tell if the Lt. is being very funny or if he’s very fucked in the head.
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SKD reply on November 14th, 2008 7:09 pm:
This post is no more patently ridiculous than the post by Michiel which preceded it. Just because someone has a different opinion regarding the politics or the politicians you favor does not make their opinion any less valid.
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Ihmhi reply on November 15th, 2008 2:15 am:
Michiel basically called Bush an idiot and a fuckup in general. His record has unequivocally proven that.
I don’t recall Obama ever blowing up any buildings.
“At least with the undoubtedly Pro-Murder justices that will be named to the supreme court we hopefully wont have to worry about as many stupid/lazy fucks, because it will become legal in all states for everyone to shove a pair of scissors in the heads of partially born crack babies and vacuum their crack-baby brains out with a saw filled vacuum. Chances are that teenage pregnancies can also go down because parents of these teenagers won’t know that little Suzy went down and committed murder in order to fit properly in her prom dress because she couldn’t just take it up the ass like a good little whore.”
Comparing the intensity of the language between the two is like comparing a 9mm to a rocket launcher.
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