Random rambling about guns, pot and NAMBLA
I don’t own any guns, but I have been debating about getting one to protect myself from all the gun nuts stockpiling guns after Obamas election.
They are buying all these guns because they are afraid the government will take their guns away. But they are buying so many guns and getting so uppity, (shooting cops and immigration offices and all that), that it makes me think someone should pass a law and take their damned guns.
Not that it will happen but still I think more people will want gun control because the gun nuts are getting gun nuttier. It’s like some crazy Second Amendment vicious circle.
My manager and I were discussing this and he mentioned the freaks with fully automatic weapons, and wondered how you get connected to the black market like that.
I mean, it is not like buying drugs. All you have to do is be in high school or know a high schooler and you will have connects for just about everything.
Recently I tried to buy pot, so I talked to my friends, and they had no idea.
This is when I realized that any street cred or cool I ever thought I had is now officially gone.
But, this all made me and my manager wonder how you get connected to any black market?
Lets say you are a pedophile that really likes kiddie porn and that is really your thing. How do you find other pedophiles and kiddie porn suppliers? You can’t just be standing around the water cooler, and ask, “Hey, do you know where I can find a good kiddie porn website?” Yet, you are always hearing about whole crime networks being busted for kiddie porn.
Interesting side note… if you Google “NAMBLA” you will see this… (The website changed since I wrote this, but there was a snapshot of what the page looked like, so I saved a copy here).
welcome to nambla
welcome to a world of pleasure… Enter password: JOIN US ! get your own nambla t-shirt.
That’s right, you can get a NAMBLA T-SHIRT. Order now, and I can almost guarantee you’ll be the first kid on your block to sport one of these puppies.
Another side note on the NAMBLA website, it is www.nambla.de. That is right, the North American Man Boy Love Associations website is not even hosted in North America.
You have to wonder, how do these people find each other?
Speaking of finding like minded people, it makes me think about the couple that kidnapped people kept them as sex slaves and then when they were done with them, they would kill them and bury them out on the yard. (I already wrote about this topic, but if you are curious and never saw my thoughts on that, check this out).
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July 14th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
If you’re looking for guns you should try looking at gun shows. Also you can get fully automatic guns in Connecticut (just as long as they aren’t selective fire). Or you can find some good guns Here and here I like this oneZombies and vampires are among us get informed. :)
Yes I am that nuts. But I have a good reason to like that gun. It takes a NATO 5.56 so ammo won’t be that hard to find has a good distance (or at least good enough for zombies) and it has a collapsible stock(which will make it good for using indoors or in tight spots in general.
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Joel reply on July 24th, 2009 8:45 pm:
wtf..
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July 15th, 2009 at 4:38 am
contrary to popular belief, fully automatic weapons are legal for civilians to own under federal law. the catch is that you have to pay a ridiculously huge transfer fee. like the gun might only cost $800-$1500 msrp but the transfer will be around $10,000. It was a plan they hatched in the 1920’s to make tommy guns (which at the time you could order in the sear’s catalog) hugely impractical for mobsters.
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Minty reply on July 15th, 2009 8:55 am:
Which I’m sure worked great, considering how much income mobsters declared every year.
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Ihmhi reply on July 15th, 2009 6:11 pm:
And how they actually payed for stuff legally instead of stealing it. d:
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July 15th, 2009 at 4:43 am
Automatic weapons are legal to own in many jurisdictions, pursuant to various federal restrictions, permits and etc. Purchasing one doesn’t need to involve a black market of any sort, provided you don’t mind coughing up the money for a transferable machine gun (they’re expensive, as a side effect of one of the aforementioned federal regulations) and a relatively minor fee to the BATFE for the privilege of having them poke around in your private life for reasons to deny you ownership. Most of the people that own such things are probably collectors.
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July 15th, 2009 at 4:55 am
I’m glad I’m Canadian and live in the land of the free.. where I don’t need a gun, I can kill you with my car, crossbow, knife, hockey stick..
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July 15th, 2009 at 5:46 am
Another gun nut here. In order to buy a fully automatic weapon, you have to:
1. Find one for sale. Thanks to the gun control act of 1986, this is pretty hard. Civilians can not purchase fully automatic weapons manufactured after 1986. This means that the ones for sale are ridiculously expensive ($10,000 and up).
2. Find a dealer licensed to do the transfer (not that common).
3. Fill out the paperwork for the ATF and get the approval of your local head of law enforcement (usually the county sheriff).
4. Send off the paperwork and an additional $200 to the ATF and then wait for them to approve or deny your application.
This is also the same process you go through to buy a suppressor(silencer) or short-barreled rifle (except, you can buy new ones). IMO, it just isn’t worth the trouble.
BTW, if you have a semi-auto weapon that malfunctions and goes full-auto, you can end up in prison (this has happened).
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Freiheit reply on July 15th, 2009 6:10 am:
Tim –
I thought the ATF stamp for an auto was $3000? I know the $200 is for a silencer.
All –
The short version is that guys who own fully automatic guns that you see, that is the guys who have them legally, have a LOT of money invested in the gun itself. They can’t afford to fuck around because they spent all their money on the high end guns and they are under constant scrutiny by the ATF.
On top of that when you see them shoot you have to realize how much ammo is going down range. Even with generous savings from reloading, you’re looking at $5-10 minimum per magazine. Realistically it starts at $20 and goes up from there.
Typically you only hear about the crackpots because they make for better news-tainment. I shoot at least once a month with a group of veterans, professionals, and blue-collar guys. All of them with families, all of them with jobs, all of them with some positive reputation in the community. Those guys make sure to do good and “de-n00b” the occasional retards that show up at the range.
In summary, 90 million American gun owners did not shoot anyone today. They didn’t shoot anyone yesterday. Or last week.
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Tim Covington reply on July 15th, 2009 6:40 am:
According to the ATF form, it is $200:
http://www.atf.gov/forms/pdfs/f53204.pdf
But, you are right about about everything else. Since obtaining my concealed carry license, I have become much more thoughtful of my actions and the actions of those around me. I spent almost $300 getting the license. I don’t want to lose it because I happened to be hanging out with the wrong people at the wrong time.
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Signalist reply on October 26th, 2011 11:54 am:
wait, what? One needs a lisence in order to buy a suppressor in the USA? What next, age limits for tobacco will be lifted and instead one has to be 18 to buy a box of matches?
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July 15th, 2009 at 6:12 am
You really have no idea, do you?
Most people who want an automatic weapon don’t buy an automatic weapon. They buy a legal (or illegal) semi-automatic weapon, and get conversion parts, black market. This way they can switch over to fully auto illegaly when they feel they need to, and switch back to a legal way for all other intents and purposes.
Many conversions on many popular weapons can be made in a basic machine shop.
Wow, has it really been this many months since I’ve been on here.
BTW us “gun nuts” aren’t so worried about Obama taking our guns, our concern is Obama taxing our guns, and especially ammo (5 cents per round is the start) so heavily that the average person can’t afford to own them.
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Minty reply on July 15th, 2009 9:03 am:
Five cents per round?! Christ, it’d be cheaper to make your own bullets.
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LT Ronald reply on July 15th, 2009 9:14 am:
That is also going to be against the law.
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009, IF THIS BILL PASSES:
It has already started….
Ammunition Accountability Legislation
Remember how Obama said that he wasn’t going to take your guns? Well, it seems that his allies in the anti-gun world have no problem with taking your ammo!
The bill 20 that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and Indiana ) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacture a data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy and what calibers.
Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded.
Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.)
They will also charge a .05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more!
If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your gun!
This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: Alabama , Arizona , California , Connecticut , Hawaii , Illinois , Indiana , Kentucky , Maryland , Mississippi , Missouri , New Jersey , New York , Pennsylvania , Rhode Island , South Carolina , Tennessee , and Washington .
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CPL Ted Bronson reply on July 15th, 2009 10:33 am:
1: Multi-billion dollar hand-outs of my (a taxpayers) money.
2: The federal aquisition of a major American corporation. (General Motors)
3: The revolving door between political office and the millitary-industrial complex.
4: And now with this bill, yet another example of the government governing “in our best interst” without ever stopping to ask us what we’d like to see happen.
Is anybody else getting the feeling that the tree of Liberty might need to be refreshed with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants?
Captcha: lamed tomorrow – even Captcha sees what’s going to happen…
Michiel reply on July 15th, 2009 12:08 pm:
No, I get the feeling that psychos wanting to spill the blood of patriots, tyrants or anyone else, need to take a chill pill, take a deep breath and count to ten.
I swear, you elect one black dude as president and everyone goes bat shit crazy.
Here is a South Park episode to explain it to you.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/207897/
Arcanum reply on July 15th, 2009 12:31 pm:
Uh, Ron, have you checked the date recently? Or the year of the legislative session that site is talking about? How about when Obama took office?
Michiel reply on July 15th, 2009 1:39 pm:
BWAHAHAHAHAHA.
Paranoia has no expiration date.
Fred reply on July 15th, 2009 2:01 pm:
Wow – a retroactive Federal conspiracy to enact state-level legislation? Doesn’t anyone watch Schoolhouse Rock anymore?
Leon reply on July 15th, 2009 2:17 pm:
Reminds me of a Chris Rock joke, it’s not gun control but bullet control. Gang-bangers would have to save up to buy bullets so they won’t be wasting them on drive-bys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJGcrUk2eE (it’s Chris Rock so obviously the language is NSFW)
StoneWolf reply on July 15th, 2009 4:23 pm:
LT, I have good news for you. After hearing about this very bill about six months ago and put alot of research into it. As far as I have been able to determine, the bill and all its variations died in committee at least a year ago and no one has successfully reintroduced one similar. Also, the new assault weapons ban that was proposed right around when Obama took office, the one that would make a Rueger 10/22 illegal, seems to have also died in committee. They keep trying to bitchslap the 2nd, but nobody has been doing a good job of it recently. Besides, if they try to restrict ammo and confiscate the shit already out there, most us will just bury it for later.
Captcha: 851,000 rounds-Captcha scares me. Also, I wish I had this many.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Any ideas on how to get black market stuff I got from Lord of War, so in short, not much. Though, I guess, make some friends with a few small terrorist groups and you can probably get anything you want. I havn’t been much for trying to get an auto gun or anything for zombies. As you may have figured out, I feel going mediviel on them will probably work better. I still need to find a way to get both chainmail and platemail armor.
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Matt reply on July 15th, 2009 11:02 am:
You can make your own chainmail and plate armor. Chainmail is relatively easy to make, but incredibly labor intensive. Plate armor requires less detail work but it is helpful to have the services of a good metalsmith and possibly a forge to get the best out of your services. Rember though, Chain or Plate armor will slow you down immensely when running from Zombies.
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Billy reply on July 15th, 2009 11:56 am:
If you have plate and chain armor, the zombies can’t bite you, and if you have a sword, they can’t group up enough to rip you apart, so I can walk to my destination and slice my way through zombies as I go, no running necessary. Plus, this also guards against the deadly “spine” zombies, the ones who don’t need the brain, but instead the spine. Everybody excpects the bastard to go down from a shot in the head, but our motions are heavily programmed into our backs, so you could still get clawed at by a zombie charging you like a chickencow with its head cut off.
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Michiel reply on July 15th, 2009 12:11 pm:
See, people? This is where the conversation needed to go.
Zombies. Everything relates to zombies.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:36 am
A civilian instructor at my cadet corps used to be a lieutenant in the Canadian Forces but gave up his commission. But he collects military vehicles and weapons and he has a .50 cal machine gun.
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July 15th, 2009 at 11:11 am
As one of the gun nuts, please, please buy one.
The more people there are buying guns, the less likely it is that we will have to use them on the government. From your own personal perspective, the gun market is already tight, and your purchase will pull one more gun off the market, driving up prices and maybe keeping a “nut” from getting one that they otherwise would have.
So please. Buy a gun for gun control.
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StoneWolf reply on July 15th, 2009 4:27 pm:
Not the best marketing scheme. Those of us with guns are going to keep buying and those that don’t will be scared silly by the “use them on the government” thing, regardless of how you meant it. Trust me, many people’s objections to guns have little to do with logic.
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Minty reply on July 15th, 2009 9:23 pm:
My only objection to owning a gun (for me) is that I’d be more likely to shoot myself in the foot than someone else, no matter what my training.
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Tim Covington reply on July 16th, 2009 5:33 am:
Then don’t buy any ammunition.
StoneWolf reply on July 16th, 2009 2:30 pm:
But that’s different than those who “are just uncomfortable” with guns and those who “just don’t see why you need one” trying to take them from everyone. It would be like me saying that, since I don’t see the point of football, and sometimes people get hurt playing football, nobody should be allowed to play and all footballs should be confiscated by the government.
By the way, if you’re afraid of shooting your foot, buy a .22. I have a buddy who, being very careless and forgetting to clear the chamber, actually did shoot himself in the foot. Besides the scar there is no permanent or significant damage.
Minty reply on July 16th, 2009 5:10 pm:
Tim: Then what’s the point of having a gun? My purse is heavy enough to be used as a blunt instrument without it.
StoneWolf: My feet are fucked up enough as it is, thank you very much. Then again, that may force me to get the stupid operation I’ve been needing for 10 years. Hm. . .
July 15th, 2009 at 11:23 am
…. wow you have it hard… if I wanted a full auto or semi auto I just have to strech my arm grab the money and pay… that easy… the even have combos…. ak47 + 1 box of ammo = $347 to $500 XD
but wat ever I live in Tijuana BC Mexico so buying guns, pot, hookers and kiddy porn is to easy… you just have to go to downtown and ask for the things… not that Im into kiddy porn actually I hate does guy’s… the ones that do stuff to kids… damn pedos!!! but hookers guns and pot are OK by me :D
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July 15th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
This is not about guns!
It is about black markets and weaseling your way into underground groups.
I even threw NAMBLA into the post.
Seriously? No one commented on NAMBLA? Or the NAMBLA t-shirt?
If there is any gun point to be made, it is that a non-gun owner who has never seen a need to own a gun, i.e. me, is considering getting a gun to protect himself from all the gun nuts that seem to be going off lately and killing everything from abortion doctors to security guards in holocaust museums and other crazy shit.
Last time you guys got this sidetracked was when I posted about my vision of a zombie apocalypse and you said how a disease would not spread like that even after I repeatedly said it was not a disease.
It also reminds me of the time I wrote about global warming melting the North Pole, and Santa and his elves being stuck in a Katrina-esque scenario, and you took that ridiculous premise and turned it into a serious discussion about whether or not global warming exists and took all the fun out of it.
Can’t we just be a tad less serious and make fun of pedophiles in NAMBLA t-shirts and how uncool my friends and I have become because I can’t even score a little pot to help with migraines? (I don’t even want it to get high!) I live in Austin and know hippies, for christ sake, and I can’t score even a joint. That’s funny.
And for the record, I don’t care if you have guns or not, just don’t use them on people. Seriously, shooting people is kind of dickish.
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Billy reply on July 15th, 2009 1:06 pm:
Welcome to the internet, stay a while. (cackles maniacly)
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Matt reply on July 15th, 2009 1:44 pm:
Have you thought that maybe your Hippy freinds think that you are so straight laced that they suspect you could be an informant for the police, therefore they won’t help you score some pot?
Maybe we aren’t commenting on the NAMBLA or NAMBLA t-shirt because it the thought of that group is soooo revolting that we just can’t do it?
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Michiel reply on July 15th, 2009 1:47 pm:
You are right about NAMBLA being so revolting, it is the same reason why I don’t talk about Catholics or Michael Jackson very much either.
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paula reply on July 15th, 2009 4:35 pm:
got agree with the others: we Skippyites (Skipsters? Skippettes?) all accept that NAMBLA is so far beyond acceptable that it doesn’t even NEED commentary.
NekoHitori reply on July 15th, 2009 2:01 pm:
Michiel,
I think what happened was that you opened up with and spent several paragraphs on talking about “gun nuts.” The opening statement is usually what sticks to people’s minds the most, and the way it was worded made it seem like you were all for cracking down on all gun owners, both the legal and the illegal. I’m not saying you are or not, but that’s the way it appears. Heck, I was about to make my delurking debut by throwing in my two cents (proud Texan and gun owner about to get her CHL, by the way) until I read through all of the comments. So now I’m delurking for this response. Ironic, no?
And don’t worry about being uncool; I don’t know how the black market works and all that, and my next door neighbors are notorious to the entire neighborhood and police department here for being “that” house, if you catch my drift. As for the pedophiles? Hmm… I can’t think of anything witty to say about creepy old guys hanging out by the playground. Sorry. XD
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Minty reply on July 15th, 2009 4:04 pm:
Yeah, see, we all knew you threw the NAMBLA reference in there to shock us, and since it appears we all assume our fellow Skippites are not proud card-carrying members of NAMBLA, we felt comfortable ignoring it.
Shooting our fellow Man as often and as fast as possible, however, appears to be something of a secret fetish.
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StoneWolf reply on July 15th, 2009 4:31 pm:
Ok, you want drugs. This is easy. Buy a plane ticket to Vermont. Find out where Winooski or Burlington are. Go to Winooski. Go to Burlington and find “the old north end”. Wait. You will see a drug deal go down. Negotiate well and there you are. I just got out of that hippie infested druggie hell hole and back to green trees.
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July 15th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
NAMBLA and Gun Nuts a perfect combo Gun Nuts want to Kill things and no one will complain if you shoot someone with a NAMBLA membership
Captcha: Nixon dejesus – does this mean Nixon was the AntiChrist?
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Phelps reply on July 15th, 2009 2:00 pm:
No, it just means nobody fuck wit daNixon or deJesus.
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Michiel reply on July 15th, 2009 2:13 pm:
Which raises the question… who would Jesus shoot?
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Minty reply on July 15th, 2009 4:12 pm:
No one. Jesus was a hippie.
Phelps reply on July 15th, 2009 4:18 pm:
Eight year olds, Dude. Eight year olds.
Michiel reply on July 15th, 2009 4:48 pm:
I should buy pot from Jesus, you know he has the good stuff.
Captcha: reefed Some – I might if I find Jesus.
Signalist reply on October 26th, 2011 12:18 pm:
have you noticed, by the way, that Jesus is probably the world’s best-known bootlegger?
Matt reply on July 15th, 2009 2:09 pm:
I don’t want to shoot them with a NAMBLA membership, I’d much rather shoot them with a large bore rifle.
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StoneWolf reply on July 15th, 2009 4:37 pm:
Reactive targets are so much fun!
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Maj Mac reply on July 15th, 2009 10:35 pm:
Yes they would complain. It would be considered a hate crime, thoroughly prosecuted and paraded before the masses as a damn good reason to take guns away.
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July 15th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
I have a formula for how to find underground groups! It worked when I was in a small town looking for other gays, it worked when I got into kinky sex, and I’m sure it would work for finding gun nuts, weed, or llama fetishists (I can’t even bear to think about how you’d go about finding small boys to tamper with; I’m gonna use llama fuckers as an example instead).
What you do is, you find a larger, more socially-acceptable group that stereotypically attracts the specific deviants you’re looking for. Not all members of that group will adhere to that stereotype, but stereotypes do often contain a grain of truth. Looking for gays? Join the community theatre. Looking for kinksters? Hang out with the gays. In these larger groups, you will eventually find a few members who share your interests. They will be able to put you in touch with others who are more into whatever you’re looking for.
Given the obscurity of your kink or the illegality of the black market commodity, it will probably take more rounds of schmoozing before you can get your mitts on whatever it is. For instance, in order to get pot, you’d probably be able to score by just going to the local organic farmer’s market and striking up a conversation with the chap wearing a “Legalize Hemp!” T-shirt. You’d have to ask around a bit more before you could find someone to pimp a llama to you.
Captcha: 1972 amours. Given that I was born in 1973, that’s probably what my parents were having. I’m gonna stop thinking about that now.
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Michiel reply on July 15th, 2009 2:22 pm:
So, by this logic, if someone wanted to join NAMBLA or to find kiddie porn, they should hang with Catholic priests and celebrities.
If someone wants to have extra-marital affairs, they need to hang with politicians, and if they want to increase their odds, they should hang with conservative, family values, Republicans.
This is pretty simple now that I see how it works.
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TeratoMarty reply on July 16th, 2009 9:21 am:
I think you’d get extra-marital affairs by going WITH the family-values republicans to the titty bars they frequent after a hard day of denouncing faggotry, an example of how one subculture leads to another. But then, I’m presuming you’d like a heterosexual extra-marital affair. If you wanted a gay one, just follow Larry Craig into the mens’ room. It’s that simple!
Captcha: Spanked AP. Why yes, Larry Craig WAS spanked by the Associated Press.
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tgobg reply on July 16th, 2009 2:17 am:
Wow, LLama Pimping now that could be a show on MTV, first you pimp the Llama, then you Pimp the Llama.
My mind is just spinning on that one. Too much caffine and not enough sleep
Captcha: Philadelphia precious –the perfect Name for a double pimped Llama
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Cat reply on July 16th, 2009 5:04 pm:
You can also find the kinky sex people by hanging out with pagans or SCAdians.
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TeratoMarty reply on July 16th, 2009 6:45 pm:
The overlap between these groups, community theatre, kinky queers, and people who go to science-fiction conventions is INTENSE. Here in Boston, we have Arisia, the sci-fi/fantasy con generally in January, and the winter Fetish Fair in February, and you see about 60% of the same people at both.
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July 15th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
And if you use a hockey stick, just leave a puck nearby so they’ll now it was a legal hit.
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July 19th, 2009 at 3:05 am
I kind of think it’d be funny to buy the NAMBLA shirt and plant it in someone’s things, like in their Tshirt drawer or something. BUt I don’t know anyone I would/could pull a prank like that on anymore.
Damn this whole ‘getting old and being a responsible member of society’ thing.
Fifteen, twenty years ago I’d have known half a dozen people I could have pulled that joke on.
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