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No, you use a .45 or a .357 or a .44 Magnum. 9mm is used by police forces because it is meant to wound not kill. When it comes to personal defense I aim to kill and use a weapon which is designed to kill.
When I meet someone who can actually use a minigun effectively without mounting it on a vehicle or fixed stand I will be giving that person a wide berth at least until they run out of ammo.
Erm… No. 9mm is used because it does kill, quite effectively (unless you think the Army uses the 9mm because of it’s nonlethal qualities…) You NEVER shoot someone unless you want to kill them dead.
That said, I prefer shooting .45ACP to 9mm Parabellum. Something about the weight of the gun helps me shoot straighter.
jmireles reply on October 15th, 2010 7:14 pm:
I have made it my personal policy to never use anything for personal defense, unless the caliber begins with a four.
Amberdrake reply on October 16th, 2010 7:53 pm:
The reason to use .40 caliber or larger is that larger rounds have better stopping power. You only use small rounds if you INTEND to kill. The reason for this is that they don’t have as much punch and therefore you have to shoot more rounds to stop the target and every shot increase the chances of a lethal hit. You need a large round to maximize the chance that the impact will stop an attacker with one shot. The ONLY exception to the rule that the round size should start with .4 or higher is the .357 magnum wich has a higher than normal amount of force for its size.
AFP reply on October 16th, 2010 10:46 pm:
Kind of an amusing quirk of how they do ammo designations (it’s all marketing, of course), is that the 9mm, 38 Special, and .357 Magnum all have the same bullet diameter, but have various differences otherwise. Not really relevant to the discussion, but kind of amusing.
jmireles reply on October 17th, 2010 1:16 pm:
On the point Amberdrake made, I will happily make an exception for the .357 in my personal rule. On the point made by AFP, within reason, it isn’t really the diameter that matters, but what’s behind the bullet, along with how much it weighs. Remember that .223 and .22 LR have the same diameter, but one will drop a target at 300 meters, while the other MIGHT annoy someone at 50 meters.
AFP reply on October 17th, 2010 2:37 pm:
True, I’m not really sure what the relative weights of 9mm vs. .38 Special vs. .357 are, although I have found that one of my favorite combinations is to shoot .38 Special from a .357 revolver (the .38’s physical measurements are almost the same as the .357, but a touch shorter, so .357s can shoot .38, but you are prevented from doing something stupid like loading .357 into a .38 revolver and blowing your hand off.
That said, with .38 you gotta be real careful with the ammo you use, because it CAN be over-loaded to quite the impressive degree (.38 has a very roomy shell, being designed for older, less potent powder, IIRC), which will result in your gun blowing itself apart when you pull the trigger if it’s not designed for over-loaded rounds.
The only thing I could possibly justify in that price list is the RAM. And that is only because it is ECC, which is normally used in servers. Other than that everything is unjustifiably overpriced.
My experience is more in line with Sicarius’s, with PCs tending to be reliable, and using Macs for anything important being akin to using a Ford Pinto for a round of bumper-cars.
Not what I would call an unbiased review of why people shouldn’t buy Macs. There are equally unscientific reviews as to why you should not buy a Windows computer all over the place too.
As an audio engineer working in both Windows and Mac lands, they both have advantages and disadvantages. You try to find or build, as I have done, a Windows based computer that is on the same level as one of the $3k+ Mac Pros, the cost generally comes out roughly even. They both will crash just the same when you do stupid stuff to compromise the stability of the system. (If it’s not the blue screen of death, it’s the grey kernel panic screen of death)
It comes down to what you actually need to do with and get out of your computer.
regarding the part about being able to put Mac OS on ANY other PC…
It’s actually a little bit difficult to get Snow Leopard to run on a home-built PC, unless you build said PC out of the same overpriced, underpowered parts that Apple uses. I have personal experience with this. A friend of mine uses a PC I built him as DJ equipment, and most of the programs he uses only come for Mac OS. We got the thing running through a lot of trial and error (and another friend who knows Mac OS and Linux command line well), and he now has a system that cost $1300 to build while outperforming $3000 Macs… but it was a major pain to complete.
To a computer-illiterate artist, Macs are worth the price. To a tech junkie, they’re laughable.
Showed this to a friend, who pointed out that the Mac shown in the link is one generally marketed towards companies rather than individuals (and thus being willing to part with more money than a typical user might). He also said that the options listed are no longer available (I guess Apple switches out for newer hardware on the stuff they sell, like pretty much everybody else).
That said, the main reason for the increase in cost was the fact that it’s not being marketed to one guy trying to save money, but rather to a company that needs to fill out a computer lab or equip a cubicle farm.
Myself, I have no extensive experience with Macs, and have found them to be temperamental little things the few times I’ve had to use them.
Decent points, however a company looking to fill out a computer lab or equip a cubicle farm is going to go with PC all the way unless they are using Mac only software. Dell, HP and Lenovo can be had for much less than a Mac and there are far more techs out there who know Windows than there are who know Mac.
The possible exception to the rule would be schools that may get a significant education discount and are spending your tax dollars and development or multimedia companies(but even there you will find a high percentage of Windows machines).
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October 12th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Preach it Father Skippy
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use 9mm as a personal defense option
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drive a moped
get married in under a year
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Billy reply on October 12th, 2010 11:17 am:
Of course you woudn’t use a 9mm for personal defense, you use a minigun so you don’t look like a pussy.
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SKD reply on October 12th, 2010 9:33 pm:
No, you use a .45 or a .357 or a .44 Magnum. 9mm is used by police forces because it is meant to wound not kill. When it comes to personal defense I aim to kill and use a weapon which is designed to kill.
When I meet someone who can actually use a minigun effectively without mounting it on a vehicle or fixed stand I will be giving that person a wide berth at least until they run out of ammo.
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AFP reply on October 14th, 2010 8:47 am:
Erm… No. 9mm is used because it does kill, quite effectively (unless you think the Army uses the 9mm because of it’s nonlethal qualities…) You NEVER shoot someone unless you want to kill them dead.
That said, I prefer shooting .45ACP to 9mm Parabellum. Something about the weight of the gun helps me shoot straighter.
jmireles reply on October 15th, 2010 7:14 pm:
I have made it my personal policy to never use anything for personal defense, unless the caliber begins with a four.
Amberdrake reply on October 16th, 2010 7:53 pm:
The reason to use .40 caliber or larger is that larger rounds have better stopping power. You only use small rounds if you INTEND to kill. The reason for this is that they don’t have as much punch and therefore you have to shoot more rounds to stop the target and every shot increase the chances of a lethal hit. You need a large round to maximize the chance that the impact will stop an attacker with one shot. The ONLY exception to the rule that the round size should start with .4 or higher is the .357 magnum wich has a higher than normal amount of force for its size.
AFP reply on October 16th, 2010 10:46 pm:
Kind of an amusing quirk of how they do ammo designations (it’s all marketing, of course), is that the 9mm, 38 Special, and .357 Magnum all have the same bullet diameter, but have various differences otherwise. Not really relevant to the discussion, but kind of amusing.
jmireles reply on October 17th, 2010 1:16 pm:
On the point Amberdrake made, I will happily make an exception for the .357 in my personal rule. On the point made by AFP, within reason, it isn’t really the diameter that matters, but what’s behind the bullet, along with how much it weighs. Remember that .223 and .22 LR have the same diameter, but one will drop a target at 300 meters, while the other MIGHT annoy someone at 50 meters.
AFP reply on October 17th, 2010 2:37 pm:
True, I’m not really sure what the relative weights of 9mm vs. .38 Special vs. .357 are, although I have found that one of my favorite combinations is to shoot .38 Special from a .357 revolver (the .38’s physical measurements are almost the same as the .357, but a touch shorter, so .357s can shoot .38, but you are prevented from doing something stupid like loading .357 into a .38 revolver and blowing your hand off.
That said, with .38 you gotta be real careful with the ammo you use, because it CAN be over-loaded to quite the impressive degree (.38 has a very roomy shell, being designed for older, less potent powder, IIRC), which will result in your gun blowing itself apart when you pull the trigger if it’s not designed for over-loaded rounds.
October 12th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
The only thing I could possibly justify in that price list is the RAM. And that is only because it is ECC, which is normally used in servers. Other than that everything is unjustifiably overpriced.
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October 13th, 2010 at 10:18 am
But…. guess how many times my mac has crashed/needed to be rebooted or defregged…
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Sicarius reply on October 13th, 2010 3:44 pm:
I bet a lot more than the PC I built. Used a mac several time for school work, they always crash randomly and for no reason.
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kat reply on October 13th, 2010 6:05 pm:
Not once. Wheareas all of the PC’s I’ve bought have died horrible, grisly deaths within two years or less.
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AFP reply on October 14th, 2010 8:48 am:
My experience is more in line with Sicarius’s, with PCs tending to be reliable, and using Macs for anything important being akin to using a Ford Pinto for a round of bumper-cars.
October 13th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Not what I would call an unbiased review of why people shouldn’t buy Macs. There are equally unscientific reviews as to why you should not buy a Windows computer all over the place too.
As an audio engineer working in both Windows and Mac lands, they both have advantages and disadvantages. You try to find or build, as I have done, a Windows based computer that is on the same level as one of the $3k+ Mac Pros, the cost generally comes out roughly even. They both will crash just the same when you do stupid stuff to compromise the stability of the system. (If it’s not the blue screen of death, it’s the grey kernel panic screen of death)
It comes down to what you actually need to do with and get out of your computer.
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October 13th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
regarding the part about being able to put Mac OS on ANY other PC…
It’s actually a little bit difficult to get Snow Leopard to run on a home-built PC, unless you build said PC out of the same overpriced, underpowered parts that Apple uses. I have personal experience with this. A friend of mine uses a PC I built him as DJ equipment, and most of the programs he uses only come for Mac OS. We got the thing running through a lot of trial and error (and another friend who knows Mac OS and Linux command line well), and he now has a system that cost $1300 to build while outperforming $3000 Macs… but it was a major pain to complete.
To a computer-illiterate artist, Macs are worth the price. To a tech junkie, they’re laughable.
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October 14th, 2010 at 8:53 am
Showed this to a friend, who pointed out that the Mac shown in the link is one generally marketed towards companies rather than individuals (and thus being willing to part with more money than a typical user might). He also said that the options listed are no longer available (I guess Apple switches out for newer hardware on the stuff they sell, like pretty much everybody else).
That said, the main reason for the increase in cost was the fact that it’s not being marketed to one guy trying to save money, but rather to a company that needs to fill out a computer lab or equip a cubicle farm.
Myself, I have no extensive experience with Macs, and have found them to be temperamental little things the few times I’ve had to use them.
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SKD reply on October 17th, 2010 2:48 pm:
Decent points, however a company looking to fill out a computer lab or equip a cubicle farm is going to go with PC all the way unless they are using Mac only software. Dell, HP and Lenovo can be had for much less than a Mac and there are far more techs out there who know Windows than there are who know Mac.
The possible exception to the rule would be schools that may get a significant education discount and are spending your tax dollars and development or multimedia companies(but even there you will find a high percentage of Windows machines).
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