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		<title>By: Jolly Sapper</title>
		<link>http://skippyslist.com/2008/08/12/this-will-probably-not-trigger-any-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-11330</link>
		<dc:creator>Jolly Sapper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose I could have made my first post longer but this was an afterthought, sorry.  Loosely related to Andrew's definition of hedonism. (but not meant as a correction)

Let me get my ethics book *flips through pages looking for the section on Hedonism*.


From "The Moral Life" an ethics reader compiled by Louis Pojman, Professor of Philosophy, United States Military Academy at West Point.  Page 609:

"The Greek philosopher Epicurus (341-271 B.C.) founded the school oh philosophy named after himself, epicureanism, a hedonistic theory wherein good is identified with pleasure and evil with pain.  In this he is the precursor of Bentham's utilitarianism (chapter 4).  But contrary to popular opinion, Epicurus's version of hedonism is nothing like the modern ideas connected with his name - sensuality, profligacy, and decadence.  On the contrary, he believed that the good life consisted in simple but deep pleasures and the absence of pain, in an attitude of imperturbable emotional tranquillity.  We should seek pleasure in conversation, friendship, a good but simple diet, and a prudent life.  Since only good and bad sensations should concern us, and death is not a sensation, we should not fear death.  We should not even think very much about it."

My how hedonism has "grown up" over the years, *tisks* such a shame.

Captcha: freed wily  - *que Mega Man theme*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose I could have made my first post longer but this was an afterthought, sorry.  Loosely related to Andrew&#8217;s definition of hedonism. (but not meant as a correction)</p>
<p>Let me get my ethics book *flips through pages looking for the section on Hedonism*.</p>
<p>From &#8220;The Moral Life&#8221; an ethics reader compiled by Louis Pojman, Professor of Philosophy, United States Military Academy at West Point.  Page 609:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Greek philosopher Epicurus (341-271 B.C.) founded the school oh philosophy named after himself, epicureanism, a hedonistic theory wherein good is identified with pleasure and evil with pain.  In this he is the precursor of Bentham&#8217;s utilitarianism (chapter 4).  But contrary to popular opinion, Epicurus&#8217;s version of hedonism is nothing like the modern ideas connected with his name - sensuality, profligacy, and decadence.  On the contrary, he believed that the good life consisted in simple but deep pleasures and the absence of pain, in an attitude of imperturbable emotional tranquillity.  We should seek pleasure in conversation, friendship, a good but simple diet, and a prudent life.  Since only good and bad sensations should concern us, and death is not a sensation, we should not fear death.  We should not even think very much about it.&#8221;</p>
<p>My how hedonism has &#8220;grown up&#8221; over the years, *tisks* such a shame.</p>
<p>Captcha: freed wily  - *que Mega Man theme*</p>
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		<title>By: Jolly Sapper</title>
		<link>http://skippyslist.com/2008/08/12/this-will-probably-not-trigger-any-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-11329</link>
		<dc:creator>Jolly Sapper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could have gone my entire life being ignorant of both Card's religious beliefs and personal bat shit crazy views.  

*sniff*

I'll never look at the "Ender's Game" series the same way again.  


I've loved reading about the "protection of life" laws that have banned "abortions" with some of the most ridiculously ignorant language possible about the subject.  The banning of "partial birth abortion" which isn't a known medical procedure.  The wording in legislation that bans abortions, period, instead of medical abortions, or deliberately induce abortions, making it illegal to have an abortion regardless of medical necessity. 

The wifey had some reproductive biology classes when she was in college that made it pretty clear that it doesn't take much to cause a pregnancy to spontaneously abort. Making a woman who stands too close to a microwave, or drinks water with just a little too much contamination, a potential felon.  

It seems that if the anti abortion crowd wanted to help reduce/stop deliberate abortions they would get more traction by offering/supporting real alternatives for a pregnant woman who is seriously considering an abortion.  Spend some less time protesting women's clinics and more time trying to revamp the child care system of the country, make natal medical care a national priority if not a responsibility, daycare centers readily available, entitlements to working women who can't get to daycare centers and need to hire a sitter, things along those lines.  

I wonder how many more supporters they would get if the loudest would stop treating the women like damaged goods unworthy of being treated like human beings.  

Why not offer a helping hand instead of righteous condemnation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could have gone my entire life being ignorant of both Card&#8217;s religious beliefs and personal bat shit crazy views.  </p>
<p>*sniff*</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll never look at the &#8220;Ender&#8217;s Game&#8221; series the same way again.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve loved reading about the &#8220;protection of life&#8221; laws that have banned &#8220;abortions&#8221; with some of the most ridiculously ignorant language possible about the subject.  The banning of &#8220;partial birth abortion&#8221; which isn&#8217;t a known medical procedure.  The wording in legislation that bans abortions, period, instead of medical abortions, or deliberately induce abortions, making it illegal to have an abortion regardless of medical necessity. </p>
<p>The wifey had some reproductive biology classes when she was in college that made it pretty clear that it doesn&#8217;t take much to cause a pregnancy to spontaneously abort. Making a woman who stands too close to a microwave, or drinks water with just a little too much contamination, a potential felon.  </p>
<p>It seems that if the anti abortion crowd wanted to help reduce/stop deliberate abortions they would get more traction by offering/supporting real alternatives for a pregnant woman who is seriously considering an abortion.  Spend some less time protesting women&#8217;s clinics and more time trying to revamp the child care system of the country, make natal medical care a national priority if not a responsibility, daycare centers readily available, entitlements to working women who can&#8217;t get to daycare centers and need to hire a sitter, things along those lines.  </p>
<p>I wonder how many more supporters they would get if the loudest would stop treating the women like damaged goods unworthy of being treated like human beings.  </p>
<p>Why not offer a helping hand instead of righteous condemnation?</p>
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		<title>By: Aislinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aislinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things: One As an ex mormon pagan (or a really bad mormon, depending on your definition), I know that the lot can be loopy, even though they mean well. As for gay marriage, I believe that as long as you are not hurting anybody, four score an seven more on Abe's for all I care. Gay marriage an abortions are only related in that they are both things that religious factions seem to take offense too.
In the case of marriage, it should be between as many consenting adults as you can support legally. Notice the term "consenting adults." Meaning that no one who is legally unable to sign the contract. Dead people, pets, and children are therefore completely out. 
Secondly, I believe it is possible to have a person that you admire their works completely, but still not admire their points of view or actions. A certain pale member of the Jackson family comes to mind. It doesn't mean that they are less talented, just a whole hell of a lot less likable.

Captcha "to Sidney" I wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things: One As an ex mormon pagan (or a really bad mormon, depending on your definition), I know that the lot can be loopy, even though they mean well. As for gay marriage, I believe that as long as you are not hurting anybody, four score an seven more on Abe&#8217;s for all I care. Gay marriage an abortions are only related in that they are both things that religious factions seem to take offense too.<br />
In the case of marriage, it should be between as many consenting adults as you can support legally. Notice the term &#8220;consenting adults.&#8221; Meaning that no one who is legally unable to sign the contract. Dead people, pets, and children are therefore completely out.<br />
Secondly, I believe it is possible to have a person that you admire their works completely, but still not admire their points of view or actions. A certain pale member of the Jackson family comes to mind. It doesn&#8217;t mean that they are less talented, just a whole hell of a lot less likable.</p>
<p>Captcha &#8220;to Sidney&#8221; I wish.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to take so long to reply but here goes. I don't take a moderate view. My beliefs to what, if anything, exists or does not exist outside of this plane of existence, be it on a brane or what have you, is a matter of personal faith. I don't claim that anyone else should have to keep their opinion to themselves, or not offer it up for public discourse but as neither side can be proved then the worst that can be said is it remains unproved and a matter of faith. Just as string theory or theories of brane collision causing the big bang are unconfirmed or unproven and require faith to proclaim they are true.

Re: CDC studies
The study itself does not prove anything. Drawing conclusion of hedonism from that alone would be faulty. However, by observing those most likely to be infected, unwanted pregnancy rates and what is deemed acceptable by the popular culture of a particular demographic conclusions can be drawn. Not everyone who has HIV is hedonistic, but many are and engaging in not just risky behavior but also irresponsible behavior. While you may not be willing to say so I will. Many of the people who have HIV have it due to incredible stupid decisions they have made. If they knew the possible consequences of their actions before engaging in them then I must accept that they only have coming to them what they deserve, the same as a person who willing plays Russian Roulette knowing the possible outcome deserves the bullet in the brain when it eventually comes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to take so long to reply but here goes. I don&#8217;t take a moderate view. My beliefs to what, if anything, exists or does not exist outside of this plane of existence, be it on a brane or what have you, is a matter of personal faith. I don&#8217;t claim that anyone else should have to keep their opinion to themselves, or not offer it up for public discourse but as neither side can be proved then the worst that can be said is it remains unproved and a matter of faith. Just as string theory or theories of brane collision causing the big bang are unconfirmed or unproven and require faith to proclaim they are true.</p>
<p>Re: CDC studies<br />
The study itself does not prove anything. Drawing conclusion of hedonism from that alone would be faulty. However, by observing those most likely to be infected, unwanted pregnancy rates and what is deemed acceptable by the popular culture of a particular demographic conclusions can be drawn. Not everyone who has HIV is hedonistic, but many are and engaging in not just risky behavior but also irresponsible behavior. While you may not be willing to say so I will. Many of the people who have HIV have it due to incredible stupid decisions they have made. If they knew the possible consequences of their actions before engaging in them then I must accept that they only have coming to them what they deserve, the same as a person who willing plays Russian Roulette knowing the possible outcome deserves the bullet in the brain when it eventually comes.</p>
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		<title>By: usagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>usagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don't need a contract to love, you need a contract to insure inheritance and other contractual rights interwoven in the law with marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t need a contract to love, you need a contract to insure inheritance and other contractual rights interwoven in the law with marriage.</p>
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