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	<title>Comments on: Why Specialist Anonymous Will Not Be Re-enlisting</title>
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		<title>By: Former Spc. 19K</title>
		<link>http://skippyslist.com/2008/06/24/why-specialist-anonymous-will-not-be-re-enlisting/comment-page-1/#comment-21981</link>
		<dc:creator>Former Spc. 19K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, never was I that concise when describing to all and sundry why I wasn't going to re-up in August of 2002.  Wish I had been.  I still have to disagree that the Army is the one job you get ahead in by following the rules.  rules often contradict.  such as: "you are required to go to anger management classes." and "You may not leave the barn during CQ duty."  This contradiction got me kicked out of the 1CD Horse Cavalry Detachment.  Thank you Sgt Fish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, never was I that concise when describing to all and sundry why I wasn&#8217;t going to re-up in August of 2002.  Wish I had been.  I still have to disagree that the Army is the one job you get ahead in by following the rules.  rules often contradict.  such as: &#8220;you are required to go to anger management classes.&#8221; and &#8220;You may not leave the barn during CQ duty.&#8221;  This contradiction got me kicked out of the 1CD Horse Cavalry Detachment.  Thank you Sgt Fish.</p>
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		<title>By: PO3 Thbbppp</title>
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		<dc:creator>PO3 Thbbppp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether or not it's rape is based on whether or not all participants can legally consent.  Sobriety is a factor.  If someone is drunk, unconscious, underage, or otherwise impaired, then they can call it rape and the law is on their side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not it&#8217;s rape is based on whether or not all participants can legally consent.  Sobriety is a factor.  If someone is drunk, unconscious, underage, or otherwise impaired, then they can call it rape and the law is on their side.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hrm... not sure. I was in at about the same time as you, and while that topic never really came up, I expect that had something like that happened, mast and court martial would have been in the near future of that sailor.

I do happen to know that if you happen to write a letter to your now ex-girlfriend who sent you a Dear John letter while you were on deployment, basically telling her how worthless she happens to be, then go out and get drunk that night and decide that you really don't want that letter to go to her, thus deciding that you need to break into the base post office to retrieve the letter, then get caught while trying to climb the fence around the post office by Shore Patrol, you only go to mast and get 45/45 (45 days restriction, 45 days extra duty) instead of going to jail for interfering with the mail (a federal offense). The best part about this story (no, it wasn't me, just another guy on the ship) was that the letter hadn't actually left the ship yet and he was at the wrong post office to get the letter in the first place.  :)

Yeah, some of the stuff that happens in that series is kind of depressing, but it is nice to see a fuller view of life in the Navy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hrm&#8230; not sure. I was in at about the same time as you, and while that topic never really came up, I expect that had something like that happened, mast and court martial would have been in the near future of that sailor.</p>
<p>I do happen to know that if you happen to write a letter to your now ex-girlfriend who sent you a Dear John letter while you were on deployment, basically telling her how worthless she happens to be, then go out and get drunk that night and decide that you really don&#8217;t want that letter to go to her, thus deciding that you need to break into the base post office to retrieve the letter, then get caught while trying to climb the fence around the post office by Shore Patrol, you only go to mast and get 45/45 (45 days restriction, 45 days extra duty) instead of going to jail for interfering with the mail (a federal offense). The best part about this story (no, it wasn&#8217;t me, just another guy on the ship) was that the letter hadn&#8217;t actually left the ship yet and he was at the wrong post office to get the letter in the first place.  :)</p>
<p>Yeah, some of the stuff that happens in that series is kind of depressing, but it is nice to see a fuller view of life in the Navy.</p>
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		<title>By: CCO</title>
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		<dc:creator>CCO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm going to open a can of worms here; Skippy may want to delete this since this is not a fun topic, and I don't know if talking about it will help.

 I have a question that has *nothing* to do with this post, but has to do with the "Carrier" episode with the Hong Kong shore leave.  Apparently, an E-4 female and an E-6 male had sex in the vicinity of the docks and the female was (and this is almost a quote) too drunk to remember if she consented or not and therefore did not file charges since she couldn't remember.  I remember that one of her friends said that she was crying afterwards.

When I was in Basic at Ft. Jackson in '93, they told us that per UCMJ that if the female is drunk, then it's rape -- and (in theory a capital crime).  Is that still the case?  A better question would be, does our discussing it help anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to open a can of worms here; Skippy may want to delete this since this is not a fun topic, and I don&#8217;t know if talking about it will help.</p>
<p> I have a question that has *nothing* to do with this post, but has to do with the &#8220;Carrier&#8221; episode with the Hong Kong shore leave.  Apparently, an E-4 female and an E-6 male had sex in the vicinity of the docks and the female was (and this is almost a quote) too drunk to remember if she consented or not and therefore did not file charges since she couldn&#8217;t remember.  I remember that one of her friends said that she was crying afterwards.</p>
<p>When I was in Basic at Ft. Jackson in &#8216;93, they told us that per UCMJ that if the female is drunk, then it&#8217;s rape &#8212; and (in theory a capital crime).  Is that still the case?  A better question would be, does our discussing it help anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, from a Navy perspective, I had much the same experience as TGOBG did with the Air Force. I only spent six years in the fleet, then got out because it just wasn't for me. That being said, I saw a lot of good people stay in for whom it was a good idea to stay in. I also saw a lot of shitbags stay in who were absolutely useless... my division chief being one of them.

Let's put it this way... when I hear the phrase "Trust me" it gives me shudders, because it brings me back to when he would say that, at which point we all knew we were screwed.

Recently I watched the entire series of "Carrier" on PBS. Now, I can't tell you if that is truly life on a carrier or not, because I was stationed on a cruiser, but the five minute segment in the fourth episode concerning the nuclear power division was spot on! Nukes (and I was one) are a completely different breed from the regular sailor, and we really could get away with stuff that the regular sailors would go to mast (i.e. UCMJ punishment) for. We were trained from the very beginning (even boot camp!) to think about what the hell we were doing, and we were allowed to call a situation screwed up if it was in fact screwed up. In boot camp we even managed to get away with it, because our PI's knew that we were nukes in training and they would just shake their heads and walk away when we screwed something like marching up. It may have had something to do with us demanding to go back to the gas chamber for screwing things up... we hit them with reverse psychology and they just didn't know how to deal with it. They never called us on it, for some reason... and I would have happily gone back to the chamber just to screw with them that much more.

We also had protection from our officers if we were brought up for actually thinking about things in the fleet and calling things exactly what they were. If a topside officer got all pissy because we would state something as being stupid, it would get back to our officers and they would calm the topsider down. We would catch a bit of flak from our officers, but it was better than going to mast, and we knew that they agreed.

Oh, but one thing about being a nuke enlisted... You basically make E-4 from the get-go, so you get out to the fleet as an NCO, which means squat... you are still the bottom of the barrel as an E-4 nuke, and get all of the scut work up through E-5. Only when you make E-6 do you get out of the crap work.

I really should come up with a naval version of this list, as there are plenty of naval parallels to it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, from a Navy perspective, I had much the same experience as TGOBG did with the Air Force. I only spent six years in the fleet, then got out because it just wasn&#8217;t for me. That being said, I saw a lot of good people stay in for whom it was a good idea to stay in. I also saw a lot of shitbags stay in who were absolutely useless&#8230; my division chief being one of them.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s put it this way&#8230; when I hear the phrase &#8220;Trust me&#8221; it gives me shudders, because it brings me back to when he would say that, at which point we all knew we were screwed.</p>
<p>Recently I watched the entire series of &#8220;Carrier&#8221; on PBS. Now, I can&#8217;t tell you if that is truly life on a carrier or not, because I was stationed on a cruiser, but the five minute segment in the fourth episode concerning the nuclear power division was spot on! Nukes (and I was one) are a completely different breed from the regular sailor, and we really could get away with stuff that the regular sailors would go to mast (i.e. UCMJ punishment) for. We were trained from the very beginning (even boot camp!) to think about what the hell we were doing, and we were allowed to call a situation screwed up if it was in fact screwed up. In boot camp we even managed to get away with it, because our PI&#8217;s knew that we were nukes in training and they would just shake their heads and walk away when we screwed something like marching up. It may have had something to do with us demanding to go back to the gas chamber for screwing things up&#8230; we hit them with reverse psychology and they just didn&#8217;t know how to deal with it. They never called us on it, for some reason&#8230; and I would have happily gone back to the chamber just to screw with them that much more.</p>
<p>We also had protection from our officers if we were brought up for actually thinking about things in the fleet and calling things exactly what they were. If a topside officer got all pissy because we would state something as being stupid, it would get back to our officers and they would calm the topsider down. We would catch a bit of flak from our officers, but it was better than going to mast, and we knew that they agreed.</p>
<p>Oh, but one thing about being a nuke enlisted&#8230; You basically make E-4 from the get-go, so you get out to the fleet as an NCO, which means squat&#8230; you are still the bottom of the barrel as an E-4 nuke, and get all of the scut work up through E-5. Only when you make E-6 do you get out of the crap work.</p>
<p>I really should come up with a naval version of this list, as there are plenty of naval parallels to it. :)</p>
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